Sorry; you think again like a coder and not like a sociologue. There are some truths in your digression: for example the difference between p2p and centralised-incentivised . But in rest the platforms behave similary from social dynamics point of view.
A question: you say the platform is not incentivised. Okay. The trolls of Putin are not payd (outside of the app itself)??? Again the coders cannot see above/behind the code itself… sorry. The real-world is more complex. Flooding a channel in order to challenge and destroy the community have ALWAYS an interest. Is not importat if te interest is based on money or believes. The dynamics is the same.
Again: you cannot ensure stability withouth stabile continous authority. This is “anarchism” a wdespread FALLACY between young coders today.
ESPECIALLY if someone is new in a group, it shouldn’t have rights. Since ever, belonging to a group is a privilege and you must “obey internal rules” and “prove” yourself. Not the chief of the group must prove himself to you (the newling) This attitude is “challenge” and means FIGHT. The best proof is this board: because I’m new, I cannot post more than 3 responses. And this is good! I must “prove” myself first. This is natural in any community (animals or people, since ever) .
As said> Aether will sunk in a continous useless fight and serious people will trash the app. after a while.
If you don’t agree with the group is easy: make yourself one new! I said that! That is democracy and seemingly the guys living in a granted democracy are best candidates to invent DICTATORSHIPS (especially socialist-anarchist kind). Because they believe they can smash verified rules and nothing bad happens…
In one point you are FULLY RIGHT: a chief cannot “abandon” his group and especially cannot CLOSE a group. Here the issue can and MUST be solved. So if a group-founder is inactive a too long period he can be considered as “unworking”. And he cannot close a group: he must find a ruler-replacement. That’s all you must change.
The rest is illusory Trotzkist bolschewism and so anarchy. Especially a challenge from new “citizens”. This is book-trotzkism. IE: chaos. Is really book-trotzkism. Trotzky was a bolschewik from USA/Chicago. He came in Russia with a group of trained fighters (here trolls…), challeged and murdered the Tsar, and whole Russia plunged in chaos at least 25 years. …
For me isn’t important; I said that the application is doomed because of the WRONG SOCIOLOGICAL FOUNDATION. That happens when coders THINK they are better sociologues. Is just like a sociologue THINKING he is a better coder! …haaahaah… If someone wants to hear and understand is okay IF NOT is also great: myself (and others) wil search another normal-concept p2p app where they can find solidity and continuity. No problem. And anybody can code what he wants, of course!!!.. The right and freedom of choice: this is democracy after all; not the fight and challenge.
The fight of normal (un-indoctrinated ) humans was usually about “living-space”. But the channels-space is quite infinite… You can found your own “New-World”. No need for “challenges” beside wickelness, pecuniar interest (paid outside app) or ambitions. Cheers.
PS: the argument that “nothing bad happened” in “anarchist Osiris forums” is (sorry) incredibly stupid. If nothing bad happens for a while it not means it cannot.This is an incomplete design - so a BAD DESIGN. But the truth again is what I said> The freedom of choice between 2 systems. (the coders of Osiris are wise). You can implement here the same: optional monarchic and anarchic.
Ihave heard about Osiris! Just because Osiris have both: monarchic+anarchic nothing bad happens. Because the people KNOW they have a stabile alternative straight inside Osiris: so if one plays “smartass challenger” they can migrate to STABILITY. The converse is also true: a “monarch” knows his people can migrate in some anarchic gropup if he behaves bad. . As said: ALTERNATIVE and CHOICE is the foundation of democracy. And Osiris coders knew that.
One is sure: social “experimenst” are insanity. The social dynamics is "coded’ inside our DNA. somehow. Some basic rules exist and any system tend openly or hidden to comply with those “natural” rules That’s why exeriments like boschewism and anarchy are doomed from start. They will cause only suffering and pain. And even the natural state is not easy: you must accept constraints. That’s how it works.
Probably if you had only “anarchic” groups in Osiris, chaos would arise quicky just like in Discord chat.
For myself I use Zeronet - none of the problems pointed here are actual because is incredibly flexible you can even build some new model inside . Cheers.
PS to PS> French Rev was as criminal for France as the Bolschewik one for Rusia (mass-murder in souther-France…the Great terror with beheadings, 15 years of chaos. …QED.) Only the historians omitted this aspect in order to manipulate the population. And also was prepared and PAID form outside (England and Osterreich ) LEARN HISTORY! REAL HISTORY.